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Next Stop- New Hampshire

The  health care debate roils on and on and on. And when one  stops to think about it, there should be no great surprise.me are fond of quoting numbers, as in health care is almost 20% of the nations economy and they don’t want a government takeover. News flash, with Medicare and Medicaid, government already is  a sizable player in health care and will continue to be, no matter what kind of sausage , uh bill. comes forth.

I think the real reasons  for the intensity of the debate lie in two areas. I realize that I am probably oversimplifying things somewhat, but for now, I will others do the complicating. For the first reason, I hark  back to my days at the grocery store, my first job and my introduction to working with and around all kinds of people. Even back in the middle to late 60’s  when when I was bagging and stocking , etc, people were fond of complaining that grocery prices were too high. As in, if I didn’t have to buy groceries, I would have some money. Well, duh, i thought  in my teenage wisdom, if you didn’t buy groceries you wouldn’t   be around very long anyway. The lesson that finally sunk in was this. Everybody to one degree or another, had and continues to  have to buy groceries. The grocery business affects us all, as does health care. And  a business it certainly is and that is ok. We  are all affected by it, some in horrifically bad ways, some in dramatically goods ways and most in mundane ways. We all have opinions about medical care and many of us will share them  with little or no prodding.  This proposed bill  with all its ramifications, perceived and otherwise, has definitely prodded us.

Secondly, we are playing in the Congressional sandbox, if you will. Rarely does the work of Congress , good or bad, become so visible. By and large, I don’t think they like it. Witness the op-ed in USA Today by Speaker Pelosi and Majority Leader Hoyer that calls the protests about health “un-American.” Curiously, Obama  spokesman  Bill Burton says no they are not. He says that there is a long American tradition of shouting at politicians.

And so, the President himself  is   having a town meeting tomorrow in Nashua, NH. Kudos to him for doing so. I sincerely hope that it is  a  productive evening for all. Those New Hampshire folks are opinionated.

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August 10, 2009 - Posted by | Health, Politics | , , , , , , , , , , ,

8 Comments »

  1. Those sandboxes can be very stinky! Obama might run into a MOB in Nashua tomorrow. Wonder if he will have plants ask him questions or will he give everyone a chance to speak! The Obamacare is in trouble with the Catholic leadership!
    http://goodtimepolitics.com/2009/08/11/catholic-leadership-concerned-that-obamacare-will-lead-to-federal-funding-of-abortions/

    Comment by goodtimepolitics | August 11, 2009 | Reply

  2. Thoughtful, sensible, and non-incendiary, THT… nice job! Debate’s a good thing. What DOESN’T accomplish much is when people who attend these meetings attend ONLY with the intention of being disruptive. In fairness to Pelosi and Hoyer (who do some things I don’t much care for, either) they didn’t say that protests over health care are “un-American”. In fact, what they said is not far removed at all from what you said yourself:

    “However, it is now evident that an ugly campaign is underway not merely to misrepresent the health insurance reform legislation, but to disrupt public meetings and prevent members of Congress and constituents from conducting a civil dialogue. These tactics have included hanging in effigy one Democratic member of Congress in Maryland and protesters holding a sign displaying a tombstone with the name of another congressman in Texas, where protesters also shouted “Just say no!” drowning out those who wanted to hold a substantive discussion. Let the facts be heard These disruptions are occurring because opponents are afraid not just of differing views — but of the facts themselves. DROWNING OUT OPPOSING VIEWS IS SIMPLY UN-AMERICAN. [my emphasis] Drowning out the facts is how we failed at this task for decades”.

    It’s not the debate that’s un-American, it’s the idea that you “win” a debate by shouting down the other side — or by closing off the other side (sound familiar there, GTP?). It’s not hard to figure out where that mentaliy comes from, if you watch any of the cable news networks or listen to talkradio. I sometimes listen to Rush Limbore if I’m in the car when he’s on. It used to be entertaining. But now? He rarely takes a telephone call, and he even more rarely has a guest to interview. Almost every day, it’s a three-hour long monologue by a guy that does little but rave and rant.. He NEVER talks with someone who can come close to a run for his money in a debate, so what does that tell America?

    At this moment, Obama is about 45 minutes into the town hall meeting in New Hampshire. No screaming, no shouting, good thoughtful questions, good thoughtful answers.

    THAT’S American!

    Comment by larrys | August 11, 2009 | Reply

  3. Its was plain to see that the people in Obama’s townhall meeting was hand picked…the way to tell is look at the people on the outside and the people in the meeting….loving all over their savior! The people on the outside was protesting the Obamacare!

    Comment by goodtimepolitics | August 11, 2009 | Reply

  4. Oh and larrys read this: Obama “I don’t think government bureaucrats should be meddling.

    How can we trust him on this when he has been meddling in private owned companies and Banks? Now he wants to start meddling in our private own health insurance companies and hospitals.

    You don’t get it do you larrys, can’t hear? Can’t here most Americans when they say that they don’t want government control Obamacare! Open them their ears!

    Comment by goodtimepolitics | August 11, 2009 | Reply

  5. Yeah, I hear. I hear a lot of noise, in most quarters. I hear Medicare recipients saying they don’t want government meddling in their health care. (You one of those, GTP? I’m betting you are!)

    If you’re not going to even try to believe, if you’re not even willing to listen, they should just ignore your ass and move on. Pass it without any Republicans. If we wait for thei support — or yours — it won’t get done, period. So why bother? We can’t wait until the lowest common denominator of our populace understands it. (That would be you, GTP, if you’re too ignorant to recognize yourself.)

    Comment by larrys | August 11, 2009 | Reply

  6. Wrong again larrys as always! I have the same health insurance as Congressmen have!

    Comment by goodtimepolitics | August 12, 2009 | Reply

  7. What? You……. work? Somebody has….. hired you, and pays you money?

    Just another example of what’s wrong with our government, I tell you! You one of those interfering bureaucrats? (More likely you drive one of those bureaucrats around town.)

    Better keep it quiet, though, GTP. If word gets out, that’lll be an easy way to save some tax dollars to pay for Obamacare!

    Comment by larrys | August 12, 2009 | Reply

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